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so I wrote a status on facebook that went something like this:
Saying you’re against animal cruelty but still consuming meat is like saying you’re against racism but you make weekly donations to the KKK..
of course meat eaters came out and started to protest against how I feel..which whenever I write anything else, nobody responds but once I POST something about my diet and how I feel..they like to attack me.
one of them said : I was vegetarian for ages so I can argue both sides but in reality they are ours to eat because it is the natural food chain. They have to be eaten in reality because it's the process of life. If everyone was vegetarian then we would have too many animals and we would have to kill them all anyway
to which I replied : so it must be a process of life to rape and murder too huh? after all..it's "part of life" no..i do not agree. in that case lets continue to kill humans as well since we overpopulate the earth.by your logic, that doesn't make sense
she than said :By my logic that is the natural process of things. It's how it should be, it should happen, animals eat other animals dont they? I think you're forgetting we are animals too.
I got really upset and replied : think you are forgetting that UNLIKE animals below us,we have the intelligence and means to live without meat..scientifically we do not NEED to eat meat ,we are not build for it. by your logic..I think you need to do more research. enjoy your meat and dairy. and no it's not how it should be or how it should happen..
I had to end it..I am not very good with debates and handing out facts as I am still new to this.(7 months) and i have a REALLY hard time putting my foot down and debating my side and how I feel without feeling lost for words or angry.
can anybody help me? I don 't like debates..I just need to know how to handle stuff like this better.
I know how u feel, its horrible how ppl r so blind and brainwashed into this kinda thinking. I myself mostly try to keep myself calm, but im not rly good with it either, i rly disagree when ppl say that the animals r here already, so we would have to kill them anyways, what BS seriously.
The cold truth is that most of the ppl only live for themselves, they dont care about anything else than themselves and theyr own familys. U cant force anyone in the end, but u can always erase ppl from ur friends, if its not some rly close friend ( in wich case they would not talk like this to u, i believe). I have lost many "friends" who couldnt watch my posts anymore (i post a lot about animal violence in meat industrys), they disagreed and erased me instead or simply sayed they couldnt see that violence anymore, some ppl love to keep theyr eyes and ears closed.
thank you. I need to study more on facts. i don't judge others but i dislike the fact that people attack me.
this is something I need to address to people more frequently, but sleeping on everything, so you have time to think or dream about a logical rebuttal,
I am not so sure that your analogy works perfectly. being against animal cruelty but eating meat shows that the person has sympathy for animals, but is still habituated to eat meat. it doesn't mean that he or she is actually killing the animal physically like a hunter or a butcher.
so if someone is against racism, he might still be a member of a club or a circle of friends where racism is a common belief. but it doesn't mean that he or she is lynching non-white people. I think this analogy is closer to the case you are trying to portray. let's not forget that the reason why racism isn't always successful is that people who are still in some implicated circles won't let violence against certain target groups get that far.
it goes the same for people who still eat meat. they might eat meat but it doesn't mean that they want to see animal cruelty. I would say that you could take a softer approach and realize the efforts that others are trying to make around you even if they don't have the same diet.
even vegans make regular donations to facism by supporting the american government through taxes. think about it.
it's not my analogy ..just a status from a vegan page which I agree with. it may not have been worded correctly but I think it is true .
I take soft approaches often..what I say on my status or even borrowed wasn't mean or anything..it's truth. people attack me for even putting articles on how i feel about anything vegan..so it's not about taking a softer approach..i am a meek person, i don't like arguments or debates..i need to know how to handle people that are rude or say really dumb things and attack me.
when you post a status on fb, it becomes your status. so at that point, the analogy you promote becomes your analogy whether you are the author or not. you agree with the analogy. I don't. so I explained why the analogy doesn't really work.
I think we need analogies that actually work when we want to debate others.
if you think you are posting the truth with your analogy, then I would say your approach is not a soft one. the soft approach I was mentioning is when you recognize the contributions of others rather than discrediting them.
A family member was vacationing here a few weeks ago and while we were visiting he started asking me lots of questions about my diet. I answered his questions enthusiastically because I love sharing this information and he seemed genuinely interested for his own well being. I didn't play up the animal cruelty angle so much because I find it difficult to do so without putting others immediately on the defense or making them feel bad...never my intent.
BUT, at one point he asked me "when did the light bulb go off where you just stopped doing what you'd always done since infancy?" My reply, the day I sat down at my computer and had the courage to research factory farming "chickens", and factory farming "pigs" and factory farming "cattle" and I cried the whole time. That was the day I stopped and I never looked back. I answered his question and I imagine by the look on his face he may at some point work up the courage to do the same.
You need to ask yourself the reasons for your choices and never apologize for them...what makes it personal for you, why its your passion. Most people will be respectful of that and the others don't matter. The thing is, once your debating, your on the defense. People tend to say ridiculous things and become closed minded when they get in to heated discussions. e.g., well, where do you get your protein? well, plants are living creatures too! etc... etc...
Lead by example, live with passion and pride.
lol the things some meat eaters and ex vegetarians say..blow my mind.
I know, it is silly how some meat eaters react. The thing is I think, you make them aware of a fact they help exist. So they don t want to know the trues. Basically they are cowards. Just tell people times have changed and that you don t have to be a vegetarian to eat vegetarian. May by this will help.
Such an easy trap to fall in to. Check out this 2 min video about how to deal with conflicts as a vegan: http://www.flexyvegan.com/videos/confrontations-with-others/
Hope it helps :)
Plus, If someone asks me why I'm vegan I just send them to this infographic - shows how vegans do good: http://www.flexyvegan.com/infographics/how-vegans-save/