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Being Vegetarian is a SIN!
I just read somewhere that being vegetarian is a sin. The writer said that the animals were created in this world to act as a source of food. WTF!!
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Permalink Reply by Angie W. on -
That is funny...I just read a FB posting: Genisis 1:29-Then God said "Behold I have given you every plant yeilding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree that has fruit yeilding seed, it shall be food for you."
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Permalink Reply by Julie Dillon on -
People say what they will to make themselves feel better.
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Permalink Reply by Gerett Treas on -
I am curious to know exactly what modern secular science (modern is very important here) does for the mankind, outside of telling us that we are monkeys (not necessarily a bad thing) with no soul, no purpose, and no eternal hope (blasfemeo.) All of the sustainability you are speaking of IS the "gospel" of science! Modernization has ravaged the planet, and the more "advanced" mankind becomes as a species, the more we become enslaved by our own creation: technology.
Eventually, "science" will lead mankind into an Orwellian superstate: a high tech control grid with a micro-chipped population, that is monitored by sea, air, and land drones, having free-flowing nano-bots in their bloodstreams! Then, exactly as the scriptures have "preached" all along, the world will fall in subservience to the Anti-Christ, and his Beast (lower level of consciousness, a.k.a. materialistic/humanistic science) system.
If one were to actually trace religion to it's roots, one would find that at the dawn of mankind's civilization, religion and science (true science) were one. This is because science was given to mankind by beings (benevolent or malevolent) who came from the "heavens." The "gods" were called Anunnaki "Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came." In that time rulers were religious, hence the kings were also the priests. All throughout history, though the "gods" have fled from earth, these kings have presided over mankind from "behind the scenes" so to speak, and guided them with a specific purpose: eventual world domination at the return of their long awaited masters, i.e. fallen angels and the "World Leader" a.k.a the Anti-Christ.
If we start doing some real research, and stop believing everything we are told on TV, by school teachers, by lecturers, newscasters, and the like, maybe we will become masters of the hidden house, and possess the hidden manna. Until then, unfortunately, we will be part of the heard, and the masses of sheeple will march along. I do not "preach" doctrine, and I do not "preach" about buildings, I "preach" about the significance of the universe, in the "eyes" of an all powerful creator and sustainer. So much more could be said, but the rest is ineffable unto anyone but the true Truth Seekers, for from them noting would be hidden, but for those content in the darkness, they will remain in darkness still. Ordo Amoris: 4-12.
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Permalink Reply by lakshman on -
@Gerett
couldn't agree more!
Interestingly, Hinduism also predicts a bad future. We are supposed to be in Kali Yuga (aka the age of darkness/demons): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga
This is what it said about the future several centuries back (which seems to match our present conditions):
Attributes of Kali Yuga:
A discourse by Markandeya in the Mahabharata identifies some of the attributes of Kali Yuga:
In relation to rulers
- Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
- Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
- People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.
- "At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas [guna or temperament] and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser." (Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.7
In human relationships
- Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
- People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
- Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
- Sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
- People will take vows and break them soon after.
- People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
- Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.The maximum lifespan of a human in this age is 90-100 years.
- Brahmans will not be learned or honored, Kshatriyas will not be brave, Vaishyas will not be just in their dealings
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Permalink Reply by Gerett Treas on
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@ Iakshman, I agree with you as well! I have great respect for the Hindu tradition, and I am making efforts to become more educated on its teachings. Maybe you can teach me some! It is amazing how similar various traditions are! It is funny to me that what people are generally arguing over are words, nothing more. Example: Orthodox Christians say there is no such thing as "enlightenment," yet they say they can come out of the darkness and into the "glorious light." Sounds like enlightenment to me, lol, taking into account whether they have actually done this or not. They also say they "put on the mind of Christ." Again, that sounds very enlightening to me. Just sayin'.
This is very interesting: "At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen" ect. It mirrors this Biblical utterance almost identically "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8. A great falling away will occur. That is why I believe that one of the Biblical symbols for "beast" is low level consciousness, a.k.a materialism.
"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them." 2 Timothy 3:1-5. This is just like the teachings you have given above.
Many traditions speak of cycles and ages as the Kali Yuga, it is a fascinating ideology. The date 3102 BC was near the time the Sumerian Anunnaki fled the earth as well. I am trying to read the link you posted, and I am very busy with college work as well, lol. I would like it if you would message me more about the Kali Yuga, and when it is said to end, if you don't mind. It is certainly the age of darkness and demons, in more of a literal sense than the uninitiated might imagine. I am not going to take up any more space here. What you posted is vary fascinating! Thank you!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Rysdon on
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For yogis, there is no sin, but ignorance which through right knowledge and proper action can be vanquished. Even a child (who hasn't yet been corrupted by the ways of adults) knows not to kill or harm another being. Time is not important to the yogi; the past is done and the future is not guaranteed. There is only the present and within that present is the infinitisimal moment of mindfulness and being which is truly real. Pages of scripture and endless quotations serve the ego in its sense of self-righteousness and conviction, but how do they serve to make one live better?? A fundamental of ALL religions and spiritual paths is that of non-violence. To understand this requires no study, no books and no teachers. Its lesson is in our DNA, for if humankind were violent by nature (as so many say so dismissively), humanity would have not made it this far. Yes, it appears we are headed towards the precipice...perhaps, but it is our nature to be compassionate as well.
Non-violence and respect for all life is a practice in peace. Desire for little is true environmentalism. When one walks this path one begins to shed the paradigms of "sin"/ignorance, fear, time and space, etc. Free the mind and life takes on new meaning.
And, no, being a vegetarian is not a sin!! (c: )
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Permalink Reply by Gerett Treas on
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I respect what you have said. I would like to say that I believe sin is the same concept as karma. The concept of sin is: because you have done this, this will happen. The concept of karma is: because you have done this, this will happen. I see these as being fundamentally the same. We are interested in wrestling with doctrinal complexities and fanciful words, but simplicity and decompartmentalization is where truth is lies. If one honestly looks past dogma and lip service, all of these concepts are the same; that is because all religions have one primeval source, from which they all came forth. Sure, there are minor differences due to culture and interpretation, but all religions seek to raise one up to a higher level than the one previously attained.
Pages of scripture and endless quotations will only serve the "ego" if one lets them. Nothing happens that is not allowed. As men think, so they become! Quotations are often given to remind us of the wisdom of antiquity, and to accredit those who came before us and taught us what we know. They also show others that one is not giving one's own opinion, which is only personal truth. The best researchers site sources in order to give the seeker things to look into for personal growth. Naturally, if one is curious about a topic, they may desire where they would be able to learn more about it! Sadly, not many people are interested in learning, but speaking only.
I would urge the yogi to begin to consider time (our linear earthly time) important. I know, not only from the Judeo-Christian tradition, but from the "Secret Teachings" also, that time (as we know it) is running out. I know this from the perspective of the ones who are bringing it about, on purpose! Non-violence is the path to peace, and the only one that will get us through the perils which will come in the near future. Ordo Amoris: 4-12.
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Permalink Reply by Wim on -
@ lakshman
Sounds like an accurate description of modern days, both east and west.
But after Kaliyuga Sathyuga will appear again, but first, as you stated:
at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.
In between there is a time known as the confluence or diamond age in which virtue is restored in human souls. There is hope... eating Prasat helps a lot, as stated in one of the first replies. Offering food to God helps to remove any impure vibes left including our own greed. Being vegetarian is a much needed first step, but there is a bit more to spiritually healthy food.
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Yes, we're on the same page. To clarify, of course time is important, however to the degree that it controls our lives and takes us out of the present moment, it is more harmful. If as you say, time is running out, then I think this is out of our hands. Knowing the end is near grants us the opportunity to be thankful for our lives lived and people we love and once again, to commit to being ever-present in the moment and not take one second for granted; making the time that we DO have left worthy and meaningful. It should not frighten you, rather stimulate a very personal activism whose goal is serenity, peace and health at the very least, and it seems that you and most people on this site are awake and aware. It gives me pride and strength to consider myself a member of this community, as corny as that may sound. I know I am not alone in my hopes for a better, more compassionate society. Through honesty I work out my issues, you work out yours and maybe through our examples this consciousness becomes stronger and more of a presence. I still believe that being a vegetarian is NOT a sin!!
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Permalink Reply by Gerett Treas on
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"I still believe that being a vegetarian is NOT a sin!!" You are right, well said!
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Permalink Reply by Wim on
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I think separating oneself is a sin... As in "I am a vegetarian and you are not"...Maybe this is the key to the whole misunderstanding... The Church has always tried to create unity (if only among "true Catholics") For the inquisition anyone living outside of the community was easy pray. As such being "different" becomes a sin.
The original sin is the separation of our awareness of being eternal Gods children... and in that sense, by all means, we are sinners, on our way back home, to a healthy awareness and thus a just and paradise like world. And with greater awareness comes a greater responsibility, so yes, very special and no, nothing to be proud of.
Just rambling, don't take it too serious...(Sirius?)
And Yes, I do think that being vegetarian/vegan is the right way. (Without excluding my brothers and sisters who are meat eaters by conviction) Different point of view and thus a different life and experiences...
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