Would a physical God allow objectivity?

To what extent should religious writings be taken for Truth? How does one sift through the collections?

How come the various "spiritual awakenings, epiphanies, etc." spoken of in religious texts stopped occurring? Did they ever occur? If so, can they still occur and are all capable of such attainment?

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Are we speaking of this question philosophically alone, or with real reference to a reality where the existence of God is now shown to be most unlikely?  Within a forum group for atheist veggies, I'll try to take both tacks:

If we were to postulate the theoretical possibility of a physical god  (or indeed spectral, but putting in occasional pseudo-physical manifestations (appearing in visions to individuals)  having any control over objectivity in the world, I suggest that events throughout history indicate a dismally (or cynically?) poor control over the matter, as suffering is a semi-permanent given for most humans, and a permanent one for animals because of human activity sidelining them  (when not actually exploiting them). As for humans' perception of objectivity, each individual is essentially subjective, so is objectivity not just a social construct we use to make some material sense of life?

If that's so, logically is not god (note small g, to label whichever religion's version of god is involved) also a social construct created by humans to give them a way to make spiritual sense of life.? Where humans have written "holy" texts to claim existence of gods, these have yet to be proven not be human-originated, just as an individual receiving an "epiphany" is always subjective and is either believed (a comforting "truth") or not (a "delusion"). As for the claims of the Bible (Quran, Talmud...) being sources of ultimate truth, why is it none seem to support the idea of animals having as much right to life as humans, why does the Bible in Genesis start with suggesting that God provided plant matter to feed all, then later recanting, and saying it is all right for humans to have "domain" over other species (ie. it's OK to eat meat and fish after all)?  Is this not simple hypocrisy which points back to the holy scriptures being  human-created texts to bolster the right of humans to be omnivores (and for men to dominate women, but I will not pursue my feminist outrage).

I will not elaborate. If you want a source for reading on this, try Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion".

As long is this is the line of interpretation (ie. I'm not required to even imagine I'm not atheist) then no, I do not think any of the gods humans pray to does "incarnate" a sense of objectivity, because if objectivity implies an ability to generate a world in which justice should prevail evenly (as in the Garden of Eden before any apples were eaten) there is as much injustice as ever, and as little justice. So, philosophically, I see the world as essentially subjective, hence the misery.

Now, from a realist atheist perspective, the interpretation is easier: there are no gods (physical or otherwise), and the only force of objectivity out there is Evolution, which has allowed creatures to evolve from the first bacterial forms and amorphous beings into water-based invertebrates and vertebrates, thence land creatures, thence eventually primates and humans. Evolution dictates the "survival of the fittest" (ie. most likely to survive environmental and habitat change, not the ones who've done most bodybuilding..) and along the way it has allowed a countless variety (yes, humans still only know a fraction of the total..) of life forms to find their "best" niches for life. Where species compete for a given habitat, there will be winners and losers, some species die out naturally, some by genocide (yes, primate chimpanzees did this before humans started, according to Jane Goodall's research..) and of course most animals killed by human "appetite".

To sum up answers to your questions: No, No religious writings are (venerably old) social constructs by humans keen to have other humans share their (omnivore and sexist) perspective, If they ever occurred, it was before science could cast doubt on them. I am, I should say, open to the idea of spirituality as a source of alternative realities, but have never been able to experience it. Undoubtedly, miracles occur, but usually have explanations (eventually). As a keen scifi fan I'd love to think a more "livable" place and reality is out there (whether the X-files version, the Philip K Dick version, the Kurt Vonnegut type, or even the playful take on the world by Douglas Adams (it is all an experiment by super-intelligent mice which has gone out of control). If others feel I've been unjust or not objective, I await their replies. I'm open to hearing that others feel that: God exists, religious writings are sacred, visions are real and still occur to some. I'd like to try to hope so, but have been disappointed for over 45 adult years. Veganism seems to me the only way to make sense of life with any sense of even vague objectivity (I did not say optimism for the future - just look at the migrants in Europe..) 

- If there was God at all, physical God would allow objectivity, but all those "manifestations" were and are fake. If people think someone is a real God, it gives him/her total power over people's lives. Such power rarely leads to anything positive. The "God" thinks he/she can do everything he/she wants. Such megalomania leads to tyranny. Can a wise and powerful and REAL God be a tyran? I don't think so.

- Religious writings should be taken for truth for about 50% or even less. Most of them are very old, they have been translated and interpreted for thousands of times. Every human understands and sees things in his/her own way, so the writings have been interpreted as the interpreters themselves wanted. We shouldn't believe religious writings too much, but we must educate ourselves and learn to THINK by our own brains, to look at things from the critical poin of view.

- That's really easy. Before humans started to do science and understand the world better, they had imagined everything strange and unknown to be done by a God or something. As now we understand the things better, all those spiritual awakenings and and epiphanies stopped occuring, because they are only our believes, wishes and imagination. Now most of people understand that.


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